Can You Braze Cymbals To Repair Cracked

I ran across a question from a drummer who wanted to know if a hairline crack in his B20 cymbal could exist "welded." So I went to some welding sites and all of them prescribed welding bronze using a tig welder (preferred) or an oxy/acetelene torch and either bronze or brass rod. I've washed a lot of brazing, but never tried it on a croaky cymbal. Anybody hither tried it? I'd give information technology a become, but I accept no broken cymbals to practice on. What practise yous accept to loose?

GeeDeeEmm

05:06 PM

Quote Originally Posted past gdmoore28 View Post

I ran beyond a question from a drummer who wanted to know if a hairline crack in his B20 cymbal could be "welded." So I went to some welding sites and all of them prescribed welding statuary using a tig welder (preferred) or an oxy/acetelene torch and either statuary or brass rod. I've done a lot of brazing, but never tried information technology on a cracked cymbal. Anybody here tried it? I'd give it a go, but I have no broken cymbals to practice on. What do you have to loose?

GeeDeeEmm

There is a guy called Lance Campeau who posts cymbal modification vids on uTube who tried this - the results were not skillful, and he ended up cutting out the damaged areas.

I have heard people claim this can exist washed successfully. But these people were promoting their ain welding/brazing services..... I've never heard 1 of these repaired cymbals

I tried it on a china in one case... didn't last at all

I tried it on some Zildjian once. ONCE!!! Did no work well. The metallic has to get and so hot, information technology discolors it and warps it. Besides I got to thinking near if it did work, how would I re-lathe information technology?

One matter that kind of works, depending on how far in from the outer edge the crack is. You can completely cut out the cracked section, rounding off whatsoever sharp corners, this is the only method I accept found which saves whatsoever musical tone but is you all the same get a lesser sounding cymbal. Getting rid of any two pieces which can rub together seems to be the heart of the matter.
I also had a Z Zildjian which had a crack about an inch from the outside. I trimmed information technology down to a 16", from 18". It didn't audio dandy to start with and then, maybe with a better cymbal the results would be better.

I tried it with TIG welding and bronze silicon rod, on an A Zil. It warped real bad and when tried to push some of the warped area downward with my hand, it croaky contrary management of the lathe lines. The fissure I welded was with the lathe lines. In that location are people on another forum that has washed it quite successfully. He said I got mine too hot. If it'due south ruined like mine was, it couldn't hurt to try it. Mine was a sixteen" cracked about half fashion between the bong and the border. I had played the cym. for over 20 year. then I figured it had served me well. If they are cracked on the edge you tin can cut them down in size.

05:08 AM

My brother tried welding a cymbal (a Zildjian cast cymbal) with a tig welder using a piece of the same cymbal every bit the welding rod. It merely kept popping and would not weld.
He does micro welding now. I wonder if that may piece of work?

If the crack is on the bow of the cymbal you can use a flap wheel or pigsty cutter to cut out a circumvolve of metal from the cracked area. If the cymbal sounded good before the crevice - it will still sound good (but with a footling trash added and slightly less sustain), but the more metal you remove the trashier it volition become. Unfortunately it will never be equally good as the original. Generally removing metal will make the cymbal weight 'lopsided' and stay in the aforementioned position on the stand if you angle your cymbals, or yous tin deliberately keyhole it and then it remains in the same position. to avoid striking the 'repaired' area.

I had read somewhere that if you drill a tiny hole at the end of the crack it volition end it from expanding. Not sure if that works but worth a endeavour.

Quote Originally Posted by Pearl MCX Man View Post

I had read somewhere that if you drill a tiny hole at the end of the crack it volition terminate it from expanding. Not sure if that works but worth a endeavour.

It will help - merely I've seen a few cymbals (and read on dissimilar forums) where the cleft has been stopped by drilling a airplane pilot hole at each end of the cleft but after a while the crack continues until the cymbal is unusable.

What happens is as the cymbal vibrates the edges of the cracked areas grind against each other putting lots of pressure level on the pilot holes at each end. All the forces are concentrated in the small area of the airplane pilot pigsty and the crack continues. It is best to grind away the sides of the crack so the edges don't rub together (this likewise stops the hissing sound of the metallic grinding in the damaged area) and to drill larger holes at the end of the crack so the forces are spread effectually a larger surface area. Cut out a round pigsty to remove the entire damaged area works well if the crack is small - the forces that build upward go around the circular pigsty and practise not concentrate in a tiny area - that's the theory anyway. Unfortunately the downside of this is that the more metal yous remove the more the sound of the cymbal changes.

Unfortunately, no matter what you do, the cymbal volition never be as good every bit it was earlier the damage occurred only it is worth trying - it would still exist proficient for practice and its meliorate than throwing it away.

Yep I've had luck with the drilling. But with my OCD it was just a temporary fix while I saved upwardly to buy a new cymbal

In that location's a reason just 2 things in the world are notwithstanding made from statuary. It's non very durable stuff.

My mentor oft talks near this, you should actually make 2 small holes on each side of the fissure he says. This will foreclose the crevice from spreading as you lot are trying to fix it. He likewise says to fix information technology properly, you really need to know what you're doing, and then put it in the hands of an practiced welder. After that, you should be ok.

I have no idea how much these things cost, but since I am not a adept person, this is what I would do: sell it online to someone silly who thinks they will exist able to gear up it. Then buy a replacement cymbal. My approximate is, if you add together what you could sell the cracked cymbal for to the toll of letting an good fix it, you probably will be at or close to the toll of a used replacement...

Quote Originally Posted by jgziegler View Post

My mentor oft talks nearly this, you should really make 2 small holes on each side of the crack he says. This will forestall the fissure from spreading as you are trying to fix it. He also says to ready it properly, you really need to know what y'all're doing, and so put information technology in the easily of an expert welder. Subsequently that, yous should be ok.

I have no idea how much these things cost, but since I am not a good person, this is what I would exercise: sell it online to someone dizzy who thinks they will exist able to fix it. Then buy a replacement cymbal. My estimate is, if you add what you lot could sell the croaky cymbal for to the cost of letting an expert fix information technology, you probably will be at or close to the price of a used replacement...

Truthful. Another aspect of welding is that it looks ugly - the metal around the welded area will discolour quite badly and the repair will be very visible. In reality the cymbal should as well exist re-annealed and re-hammered equally the bronze will loose tension and may distort when subjected to excessive oestrus. If the statuary is not re-annealed it will become very brittle. Although an experienced welder may be able to seal the fissure and re-amalgamate I dubiousness if any offer to re-hammer the repaired cymbal.

buy a new cymbal (or a new used ane) Way easier!

all the best...

Quote Originally Posted by kay-gee View Post

buy a new cymbal (or a new used one) Style easier!

all the best...

Took the words right off my keyboard. I was going to say the aforementioned affair. Also I recall the weld would stop the cymbal from vibrating, causing it to sound well, non good.

09:02 PM

Quote Originally Posted by NPYYZ View Post

Took the words right off my keyboard. I was going to say the same thing. As well I think the weld would stop the cymbal from vibrating, causing it to sound well, not skillful.

If y'all were to and or could weld information technology well, you'd grind off the excess weld flat again even and along with the machined grooves. The weld would exist a lilliputian harder than the surrounding cloth so information technology would accept a skilled manus. Of course the heat would change the cymbals structural integrity somewhat. If it were a big crack, it's trash.

11:36 AM

Quote Originally Posted past crispycritters View Post

True. Another aspect of welding is that information technology looks ugly - the metallic around the welded area will discolour quite badly and the repair will be very visible. In reality the cymbal should also be re-annealed and re-hammered equally the statuary will loose tension and may distort when subjected to excessive heat. If the bronze is not re-annealed information technology will get very breakable. Although an experienced welder may be able to seal the scissure and re-anneal I doubt if any offer to re-hammer the repaired cymbal.

1 may have more than success welding a Paiste than say a Zildjian. A cast Zildjian commonly has Brass(correction...no brass), copper and tin with traces of silver they say. Virtually Paiste's (if B8 or 12) are a stamped out canvass material I believe. Not sure. If we are talking annealing information technology's style over the top at present to repair.

Nosotros would need aid and input from a metallurgist.

has anyone used a dremel with skilful results to cut out a slot where the crack is?

and if the fissure is in the center of the cymbal following the path of the lathing, is it difficult to follow the bend to cut out a slot?

11:33 AM

Its like shooting fish in a barrel enough - just make absolutely sure the cymbal tin can't move and the drill is held firmly! Take a picayune time and try not to press downwards too much - allow the tool to grind away the metal - don't try to speed up the process by pressing downwards too hard. Personally I think a dremel is probably the best mode to stop a crack on the cymbal bow as opening up the cleft means the sides won't grind together.

02:55 PM

The way I've repaired 1 a few years ago. I've repaired many others too but this is the only one I have a vid for. Information technology had nearly a three-4" crevice forth the grooves about an inch or and then in and went out at the end of the cymbal also. Fob of the trade...run the cutting off wheel into some wax every then often to continue the gummy alloy's from sticking to the cut off wheel surface. There is a link well-nigh stop of the vid to see the cymbal being used. It's the i by the hullo-hats. It's difficult to see in the playing sample because the cut out area is way up at the top where the lighter stop of the cymbal wants to stay.

Found this....looks similar someone did it. Y'all can see the discoloration from the heat and the welds were not ground down at all but....

Quote Originally Posted by Olimpass View Post

The way I've repaired ane a few years ago. I've repaired many others too only this is the only one I accept a vid for. It had almost a 3-4" crack along the grooves almost an inch or and so in and went out at the finish of the cymbal also. Trick of the trade...run the cut off wheel into some wax every so oft to keep the sticky alloy's from sticking to the cutting off wheel surface. At that place is a link most end of the vid to run into the cymbal being used. It's the 1 by the howdy-hats. It's difficult to meet in the playing sample because the cut out area is style up at the top where the lighter finish of the cymbal wants to stay.

Awesome vid Oli, man the sound of it injure though. The dremel I have is electric do you lot recollect it would have enough ability to cutting a slot in the middle along the grooves?

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Crawly vid Oli, man the audio of information technology hurt though. The dremel I have is electrical practise you retrieve it would have enough ability to cut a slot in the center along the grooves?

electric dremels are worthless IMO. Non enough power for anything. Had one and threw it away bought a nice electric one.

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